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Will DACA encourage more people to move to the USA illegally?

Current DACA applies to minors who entered the USA before 2007.

What about minors who entered after 2007?

Will there be an updated version of DACA with a later cut-off date, at a later time?

Bear in mind that if a child has been attending school in USA on the F1 visa since young: F1 visa not allowed to attend public school. F1 visa must pay out of state tuition fees. F1 visa no path to Green Card.

Versus a DACA recipient: Attended public school, pay in-state college tuition, soon to get a path to Green Card.

Who is more “American”: The DACA recipient who has been in the USA since childhood, or the F1 Visa who has been in USA since childhood?

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Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
Posted on 09/14/2017 8:40 AM
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I’m pretty much a libertarian on immigration. I defer to letting immigrants move where they want. But when it comes to DACA and F1 I think this should be fast tracked. These are mostly vetted high quality potential citizens. We don’t just want these people to be citizens our demographics prove that we need them.

I do think we need to be vigilant about controlling the flow of who comes in and from where to some degree. Immigrants need to be vetted. But I am not in favor of closed borders….I think it’s a disastrous economic policy that will quickly turn us into Japan.

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Cullen Roche Posted by Cullen Roche (Questions: 10, Responses: 1749)
Answered on 09/14/2017 2:54 PM
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    DACA requires “Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012″”.

    Amazing.

    People who follow the law and got a F1 Visa, get absolutely nothing.

    While DACA recipient, breakers of the law though not of their own volition, get a free path to Green Card.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if congress passed a law giving amnesty to all illegal immigrants, while all legal immigrants continue waiting in line.

    Nice !

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    Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
    Answered on 09/14/2017 10:32 PM
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      A Google search “daca f1 visa” shows many F1 visa holders wondering if they are eligible for DACA.

      ROFL !!!

      DACA is such a good deal, F1 visa holders are regretting that they chose to follow the law !!

      What a joke !!

      Go Google “daca f1 visa” and have a look !!!

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      Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
      Answered on 09/15/2017 1:22 PM
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        Sad part of it is that there should be no need for this conversation in the first place. The America’s both North and South have a ton of natural resources that can benefit everyone.

        People in Columbia, or Venezuela etc.. should not feel compelled to have to sneak into the US.

        If we Americans are going to invade countries and nation build, I think it better to invade places south of the border like Venezuela rather than Iraq.
        We would probably get a better return for our blood and treasure.

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        Posted by Cowpoke (Questions: 29, Responses: 108)
        Answered on 09/16/2017 8:41 AM
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          Furion, It is clear by your responses that you were not actually asking a genuine question in good faith. You had the “answer” already predetermined. At this point, it is silly to speculate on what the legislation on DACA will look like, and then proceed as if your speculation is accurate.

          Actually, it was the GOP in 2001 which first introduced the DREAM Act. Eventually, it was passed in the House where it has been sitting gathering dust. It is about time Congress finally do something.

          DACA recipients broke no laws. They were brought here as children by their illegal immigrant parents.

          F-2 visa holders are dependents of F-1 visa holders https://visacoach.org/2010/09/19/us-student-visas-difference-between-f12-visa-m12-visa/. F-2 visa holders ARE allowed to attend public school. No one is an F-1 “child.” Are you suggesting that the F-1 parent should have brought their children over as illegal aliens and subjected them to the risk of deportation.

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          Posted by Lucas (Questions: 5, Responses: 102)
          Answered on 09/16/2017 5:44 PM
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            Lucas is a do-gooder libtard living in a bubble.

            I was talking about F1 visa and public schools, then you brought up F2 visa ? Strawman? You do know that the many restrictions on the F1 visa that I mentioned are all true right ?

            Illegal immigrants should never get a better deal than legal immigrants.

            As it stands now it makes no sense to get F1 or F2 visa. Many restrictions and no path to GC.

            DACA and DREAM act are such good deals, F1 and F2 visa holders are kicking themselves.

            Some are choosing to let their visa lapse without renewal, just to qualify for DACA.

            Think about that !!! (sorry, forgot do-gooders don’t think)

            Reagan passed amnesty, illegal population went up ten times, from 1 million to 11 million.

            Trump passes amnesty, illegal population goes up to 100 million 30 years from now.

            100 million illegal immigrants. Sounds far fetched, but it will happen once Trump passes amnesty.

            See how you bubble-dwelling do-gooder libtards like it then. San Francisco becomes rape capital of the world. (like Sweden)

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            Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
            Answered on 09/20/2017 10:00 PM
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              You said, “Bear in mind that if a child has been attending school in USA on the F1 visa since young.” It is not a strawman to correct a misstatement. Children are somebody’s dependent. Dependents to not attend school on F-1 visas; they have F-2 visas. So yeah, you brought it up. Kids on F-2 visas may go to public schools. The entire purpose of both F-1 and F-2 visas is not immigration. If your intention is immigration, then the F-1 and F-2 visa is the wrong visa. Immigration will reject your application for an F-1, or F-2 visa if you give any indication that you do not intend to return home. If you are on an F-1 or F-2 visa, and you or your parent let it lapse, you will not qualify for DACA. The F-2 visa is not a stand-alone visa. It is a dependent’s visa and must be associated with a sponsor’s F-1 visa.

              Everything else you say is just garbage speculation intended to evoke an emotional response rather than sound policy based on facts. If you continue to choose personal attacks over facts and sound reasoning, do not be surprised if Cullen pulls your plug. He has warned you before.

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              Posted by Lucas (Questions: 5, Responses: 102)
              Answered on 09/21/2017 11:45 AM
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                You are another SJW antifa do-gooder threatening the ban hammer on someone you disagree with. Glad that Cullen is a centrist.

                My main point still stands, that illegal immigrants should not get a better deal than legal immigrants.

                Fact check: There are many minors attending private (not public) schools in the USA on the F1 visa. They do need a guardian however, which in many cases are not their parents. Many of these F1 minors, now adults, are regretting that they chose the legal path. If they had just stayed in the USA illegally, they would qualify for DACA. Such a situation only makes sense to a SJW do-gooder who for purely political reasons refuses to understand anything.

                Either you do not understand, or you are pretending to not understand. I guess it’s the latter.

                At any rate, do-gooders are “caring” for illegal immigrants not on compassionate grounds, but for purely political reasons. The following article from The Atlantic (a centrist magazine) sums up everything well:

                https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/

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                Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                Answered on 09/24/2017 4:22 AM
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                  “Immigration will reject your application for an F-1, or F-2 visa if you give any indication that you do not intend to return home.”

                  Which is why DACA and amnesty, which gives legal status to people who lied about their immigration intent, makes no sense whatsoever !! Only encourages more lies !! Why do do-gooder SJWs refuse to think !! Politics is why !!

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                  Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                  Answered on 09/24/2017 4:24 AM
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                    I get it, anything that a do-gooder SJW does not agree with, is a personal attack. Nice !

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                    Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                    Answered on 09/24/2017 4:25 AM
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                      Go ahead and keep squandering your credibility. The issue is not whether we agree or not. Name-calling is a personal attacks and totally unnecessary if your argument can stand on its own feet. Your resort to personal attacks like these are a tantamount admission that your position is weak.

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                      Posted by Lucas (Questions: 5, Responses: 102)
                      Answered on 09/24/2017 11:50 AM
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                        Ok a strong position is to give a better deal to illegals than to legals. That is SJW do-gooder by definition.

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                        Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                        Answered on 09/25/2017 9:54 AM
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                          Also only SJW do-gooders make accusations of name calling. A variant of identity politics.

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                          Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                          Answered on 09/25/2017 9:58 AM
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                            You are just digging yourself deeper and losing more credibility with every post. Ironically, you seem to believe that the accusation of name calling is more corrosive to public discourse than actual name-calling. Doubling down on name calling with more name-calling only weakens your position further and lends credence to the conclusion that not only is your position without merit, but also you know it is without merit. To recap, your supposed F-1/F-2 support for your position that illegal immigrants get a better deal than legal immigrants was found false. To continually reassert a false claim will not make it true no matter how many times you repeat it.

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                            Posted by Lucas (Questions: 5, Responses: 102)
                            Answered on 09/25/2017 1:03 PM
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                              Lucas is a virtual signalling do-gooder.

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                              Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                              Answered on 09/30/2017 12:23 PM
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                                By the way why did the Dems suddenly find a new sense of benevolence with regards to illegal immigrants, some time between 2008 and 2016 (as per the Atlantic article mentioned above)?

                                Obviously politically motivated virtue signalling.

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                                Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                                Answered on 09/30/2017 12:28 PM
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                                  You need to learn to interact with the real person, not the cardboard caricature of your own imagination. Personally, I think that the government should go after the law-breaking employers who hire illegal immigrants. So stop with the name-calling,labeling, and stupid platitudes like “virtue-signalling” which are used by people whose own arguments are weak in an effort to shut down discussion.

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                                  Posted by Lucas (Questions: 5, Responses: 102)
                                  Answered on 09/30/2017 5:36 PM
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                                    Look. I never asked for your opinion, or anyone else’s opinion, on this matter. I was trying to decide if DACA is fair or unfair to legal immigrants.

                                    And then you came in and started virtue signalling about benevolence to childhood arrivals. All while ignoring that “being illegal” is one of the pre-requisites of DACA. Therefore, by definition, legal immigrants get a worse deal.

                                    Also putting forth the outright nonsensical claim that there does not exist childhood arrivals who are the same as DACA recipients in every way, except that they are legal, therefore do not qualify for DACA. And therefore have to actually queue up for a Green card.

                                    You are the one who “continually reassert a false claim” hoping that people will accept it as true.

                                    In the absence of other evidence, I can only assume you are engaging in politically motivated virtue signalling.

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                                    Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                                    Answered on 10/04/2017 7:43 PM
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                                      No, you were not trying to decide if DACA was fair or unfair to legal immigrants. You asked a series of rhetorical questions for which you had already decided the answers, so you are correct that you were not asking anyone’s opinion. That being the case, you really had no reason to begin the thread in the first place, except for your own political motivated signalling.

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                                      Posted by Lucas (Questions: 5, Responses: 102)
                                      Answered on 10/04/2017 7:52 PM
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                                        Instead of contributing rational arguments (my arguments were rhetorical but rational), you came in with false facts as mentioned in my previous post in an attempt to divert the discussion.

                                        Benevolence towards illegal childhood arrivals is a good thing. Except that it only became a “thing” recently, when the Dems decided that it will get them more votes. So anyone advocating any form of amnesty (DACA included) must be suspected of virtue signalling.

                                        Giving blanket amnesty to illegals, whatever the justification (DACA included), is a blatant disregard for the rule of law, and a slap in the face of legal immigrants queueing up for a green card.

                                        Amnesty (including DACA) is a slippery slope that will lead to 100 million illegal immigrants in 30 years time.

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                                        Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                                        Answered on 10/10/2017 10:31 AM
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                                          I did not come in with any false facts, and you have not yet refuted any of my facts. 86% Americans favor keeping the DACA recipients so it is not a Democratic vs Republican thing,nor is it “virtue signaling” a stupid phrase meant to shutdown discussion rather than consider the merits of an issue. Besides a green card does not give the holder the right to vote, so Dems do not stand to get more voters this way.

                                          If Republicans want to persuade more people to vote for them, then they need to compete for those votes by responding to the will of the American people, most of whom oppose the Republican agenda. For example, 75% of Americans want to fix ACA, not repeal it. On the current issue of the day, gun control, most Americans favor more stringent rules. that is just three examples.

                                          Then you misrepresent the proposals completely. Blanket amnesty has not been proposed. Read the DREAM Act, introduced by Republicans, for yourself. The so-called slippery slope is wild speculation with zero basis in math or reality. The main problem is that the fact that so many employers break the law against hiring illegal immigrants, and the government turns a blind eye. Go after them, the jobs dry up and illegal immigration will cease.

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                                            Posted by Lucas (Questions: 5, Responses: 102)
                                            Answered on 10/10/2017 1:07 PM
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                                              As has already been said elsewhere, if you ask someone on the street “do you want to kick out someone who was brought in as a child, who knows no other country”, nobody will reply “get them out”!

                                              This is classic equivocation. Then people like you take these “surveys” and say “most people support DACA”.

                                              At any rate, the issue is about fairness to legal immigrants.

                                              If you survey someone on the street by asking “do you favor allowing illegal immigrants to cut in front of the queue, while legal immigrants continue waiting?” What do you think will the response be???

                                              If blanket amnesty is to be given to a select group of people, fine. But “being illegal” should never be a criteria for eligibility.

                                              That is, all people who fulfill the DACA criteria, without the “being illegal” part, should be given amnesty.

                                              You see how this is a slippery slope? Overnight there will be 100 million F1-visa applications in anticipation of the next round of amnesty (i.e. moving forward of the DACA cut-off date) !!!

                                              Deporting childhood arrivals is a bad thing. But blanket amnesty is way worse.

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                                              Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                                              Answered on 10/11/2017 10:13 AM
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                                                You are incorrect about the way the questions are asked by professional polling companies. Professional polling companies know how to ask the questions so their results have validity. Polls with leading questions like the two you made up are from surveys sent out by the ACLU, the DNC, and the RNC. You can always recognize those push polls because not only do they phrase questions according to the confirmation bias of their intended recipients, but also they always ask for money. Those surveys are completely unreliable and never quoted by any reputable outlet. Another problem with those surveys, alluded to by your snide “people like you” phrasing is that the respondents are self selected. Professional polling companies survey select the respondents randomly. When multiple professional polling companies get similar results, you can be confident that the result is accurate within the specified error margin.

                                                You still seem confused about F1 visas, what they are and how they work. Not only that you keep moving the ground. 100 million immigrants of any description entering in 30 years time is far different from 100 million F1 applications overnight. “Each year, the USCIS receives and processes about 6 million immigration applications from individuals and employers.” https://www.us-immigration.com/how-many-immigration-applications-filed-each-year/ That comes to 180 million visa applications, including F1, in 30 years even with no DACA action. Of those 6 million applications, approximately 1 million visa are granted per year. https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/law-and-policy/statistics/non-immigrant-visas.html Even if 100 million people applied overnight, it just means 99% would be rejected. It does no good to make up some big scary number like 100 million and throw it around as if it makes for a valid argument of any kind. The whole purpose of tossing out an arbitrary big number like 100million is to evoke and emotional response, not to promote a reasoned discussion.

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                                                Posted by Lucas (Questions: 5, Responses: 102)
                                                Answered on 10/11/2017 1:45 PM
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                                                  You know how F1 visas work? Because your posts above were totally wrong.

                                                  Why do you totally ignore the plight of legal immigrants?

                                                  Coz the existence of legal immigrants waiting in line is the biggest counter argument to amnesty, so you totally ignore them?

                                                  Why do you not address the issue of legal immigrants, and the fairness of amnesty/Daca towards legal immigrants?

                                                  What about those childhood arrivals that do not meet the cut-off date for DACA?

                                                  Will there be another round of DACA 10 years later?

                                                  YES or NO?

                                                  If no, then why should there be DACA now, but not 10 years later?

                                                  If yes, then who would want to be a legal immigrant and wait in line for decades?

                                                  Why do you ignore the plight of legal immigrants, if not for political reasons?

                                                  Why do you stubbornly refuse to differentiate between legal and illegal, if not for a lack of respect for the rule of law?

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                                                  Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                                                  Answered on 10/12/2017 9:12 AM
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                                                    You are being incoherent. My explanation of the difference between F1, F2 and DACA was accompanied by a link, so you should study up on the issue instead of relying on a propaganda mill like Infowars. The whole “standing-in-line” frame is false. You are asking the wrong questions since they are predicated on false ideas from the get-go. Nevertheless I have answered them anyway earlier in the thread. So take your fingers out of your ears, tep away from the likes of Infowars, and actually study the issue.

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                                                      Posted by Lucas (Questions: 5, Responses: 102)
                                                      Answered on 10/12/2017 11:52 AM
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                                                        1. Your explanation of the difference between F1, F2 and DACA is totally wrong. I have provided a sound rebuttal above, so read that.

                                                        2. Why do you refuse to acknowledge the plight of legal immigrants? Your arguments completely ignore the plight of people who are trying to follow the law and immigrate legally. Why are you, and the Dems in general, so selective in the people you “care” for? If not for political reasons then why?

                                                        3. Answer my question about whether there be another round of DACA 10 years later? Simply yes or no answer.

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                                                        Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                                                        Answered on 10/13/2017 9:11 AM
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                                                          1. Your rebuttal was far from sound and based on nothing but your own suppositions. No links, no nothing, except a Hillary Clinton red herring.

                                                          2. I am not ignoring anybody. I am staying on topic which is DACA. PS, I am not a Dem, and since 86% of Americans support keeping DACA recipients, neither are many other Americans who support keeping the DACA recipients. By the way, the DREAM Act was first introduced by Republicans. I agree that there needs to be serious immigration reform, and something must be done about the backlog of outstanding visa applications.

                                                          3. No one knows if there will be another round of DACA 10 years from now. The last amnesty was during the Reagan administration (oh, look at that. Another Republican). Even now no one is proposing a general amnesty like the one during the Reagan Administration.

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                                                          Posted by Lucas (Questions: 5, Responses: 102)
                                                          Answered on 10/13/2017 12:39 PM
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                                                            You have provided false statements in your false rebuttal of my F1 visa arguments. Yet you keep insisting that your blatant falsehoods are the truth.

                                                            The topic is not DACA, but fairness towards legal immigrants, which you fail to acknowledge. This is politically motivated virtue signalling.

                                                            Reagan amnesty was a huge mistake. Resulting in a 10-fold increase in illegals.

                                                            You have provided zero contribution to my topic, which is fairness towards legal immigrants.

                                                            Your only goal is to divert the topic. Because legal immigrants are the greatest counter-argument to amnesty/DACA.

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                                                            Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                                                            Answered on 10/13/2017 1:17 PM
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                                                              The topic was/is: IS DACA FAIR TO LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ?

                                                              Do you really not understand anything? Or are you trying to maliciously divert the topic?

                                                              The topic was not DACA, but fairness towards legal immigrants.

                                                              You seem to be unable to comprehend the distinction between legal and illegal.

                                                              Not sure if you really do not understand, or you are engaging in politically motivated diversions.

                                                              Or maybe you have blatant disregard for the rule of law.

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                                                              Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                                                              Answered on 10/13/2017 1:26 PM
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                                                                So what if 86% of Americans support DACA? So what is most Americans support amnesty for illegals?

                                                                I’m trying to point out the dire consequences of DACA and amnesty.

                                                                Which is: an erosion of the rule of law, resulting in potheads like you not understanding the distinction between legal and illegal.

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                                                                Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                                                                Answered on 10/13/2017 1:29 PM
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                                                                  The great thing about USA is the rule of LAW, not the rule of the MAJORITY. The Late Great Justice Scalia was very emphatic about this.

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                                                                  Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                                                                  Answered on 10/13/2017 1:32 PM
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                                                                    If the topic was fairness to legal immigrants, you would have spent most of your time on that instead of spending most of your first comment talking about DACA. Your entire purpose is to push opposition to DACA, a position not shared by the vast majority of Americans.

                                                                    Reagan amnesty did not produce an increase in illegal immigration. Employers hiring illegal immigrants produced the increase. We are a country based on rule of law, so why does everyone give a pass to the law-breaking employers? You have not shown that any of my statements are false. Merely asserting they are false, not matter how many repetitions, will not make them false. Repeating demonstrably false propaganda from sites like Infowars only weakens your case.

                                                                    So what if 86% of Americans support keeping DACA recipients? Because this country is based on “we, the people” and governance “by consent of the governed.” So the will of the people has great bearing, unless what you are proposing is a dictatorship. It is true that we believe in the rule of law, and as we know, Executive Orders have the force of law, unless struck down as unconstitutional.
                                                                    “There’s debate among experts on whether DACA is constitutional or not, but there is agreement that a court ruling on the constitutionality of the program has not been issued.” http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/sep/11/eric-schneiderman/has-daca-been-ruled-unconstitutional/

                                                                    So DACA conforms to the rule of law.

                                                                    PS, Can you ever write a single comment in good faith that avoids insults and questioning the motives of other people? The purpose of Cullen’s site is not a platform for you drag in propaganda from the likes of Infowars. You need to back up your opinions and assertions with facts, not presuppositions. So far, you have failed to do so.

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                                                                    Posted by Lucas (Questions: 5, Responses: 102)
                                                                    Answered on 10/14/2017 1:56 PM
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                                                                      You are right, my purpose is to oppose Daca. By showing how unfair it is to legal immigrants.

                                                                      Again you have failed, as you always do, to take into consideration the plight of legal immigrants, in your defense of amnesty (and Daca is amnesty).

                                                                      Illegal immigrants (including childhood arrivals) should never get a better deal than legal immigrants. As it stand now, someone born in China, India and some other countries working on the H1B needs to wait for 20 to 70 years for a chance to apply for Green card. Assuming they win the ballot and get the H1B visa in the first place.

                                                                      Many of these people will never get a chance to get a Green card, because even if “comprehensive immigration reform” is passed, there will not be enough quota for the massive backlog. Most of them will get rejected outright.

                                                                      Given that there are so many people who have chosen to follow the law and wait in line, however dim the hopes of getting a green card, only politically motivated virtue signallers will support blanket amnesty for illegal immigrants (including childhood arrivals).

                                                                      The leftists and virtue signallers have chosen to actively suppress the above facts. So as to get support for their mass amnesty, in a bid to fundamentally alter the demographics of the USA towards an irreversible fall into the abyss of leftism. (Green cards can’t vote. But once a green card is obtained, citizenship will be available soon. Also birthright citizenship to children of illegals.)

                                                                      As I have repeatedly said, you fail to distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants, instead you keep spouting virtue-signalling liberal platitudes.

                                                                      So it’s either: (1) you have zero understanding what the rule of law means or: (2) you are a leftist motivated by the above motives.

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                                                                      Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                                                                      Answered on 10/16/2017 9:18 AM
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                                                                        “the abyss of leftism”? Clearly you are not getting your information from reputable sources, especially when you consider that most Americans support the “leftist” positions on almost every issue, it must not be much of an “abyss.” So obviously people who continue to promote a left-right acrimonious polarization are out of touch with most Americans. Your hyperbole is costing you even more credibility.

                                                                        If Republicans want more people to vote for them, then they need to compete for votes by proposing and implementing policies that Americans actually support, NOT by preventing people believed likely to vote for Dems. You are very close to supporting the counter-proposition that if the DACA recipients were perceived to be likely GOP voters, you would be enthusiastically in favor of “amnesty.” So much for your rule of law.

                                                                        In actual point of fact, the right is way over-represented. 70% of the population lives in 15 states, mostly coastal “leftist” cities. So 70% of the population has 30 Senators, and the 30% of the population that lives mostly in so-called “red” states has 70 Senators. Add in the crazy serpentine gerrymandering and other voter-suppression efforts, and we see it is the right that is pulling questionable vote-getting stunts, not the left

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                                                                        Posted by Lucas (Questions: 5, Responses: 102)
                                                                        Answered on 10/16/2017 1:11 PM
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                                                                          You continue to refuse to acknowledge the plight of legal immigrants.

                                                                          By now it is very obvious that you are a leftist shill motivated by politics.

                                                                          You have zero regard for the welfare of legal immigrants.

                                                                          You stubbornly refuse to distinguish between legal and illegal immigration.

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                                                                          Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                                                                          Answered on 10/16/2017 1:49 PM
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                                                                            And you rely misstating other people’s views, pretending you can read minds, imputing motivations to other people based on your own biases all in a vain attempt to turn the spotlight away from your own weak, fact-free, and misleading arguments garnered from disreputable sources. So whatevs.

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                                                                            Posted by Lucas (Questions: 5, Responses: 102)
                                                                            Answered on 10/16/2017 3:05 PM
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                                                                              You rely on outright ignoring the strongest opposing arguments.

                                                                              Up till now, you have failed to distinguish between legal and illegal.

                                                                              Actively suppressing the fact that there are many legal immigrants waiting in line with a very dim chance of ever getting a green card. All the while supporting blanket amnesty for their select group of illegal immigrants.

                                                                              Your vain attempt to turn the spotlight away from your blatant disregard for the rule of law is obvious.

                                                                              Your tricks are not unique. They are shared by all leftist SJW do-gooder virtue signallers.

                                                                              Your goal is irreversible demographic change. There is no point denying that, because left wing websites and newspapers have been openly talking about this since long ago.

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                                                                              Posted by Furion Lfg (Questions: 4, Responses: 26)
                                                                              Answered on 10/16/2017 7:46 PM
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                                                                                You have made zero arguments regarding fairness to legal immigrants.

                                                                                If it was not obvious enough in the beginning, I have made my point clear in my third post, that this post is about fairness of Daca to legal immigrants.

                                                                                Yet you have offered absolutely zero input with regards to fairness towards legal immigrants.

                                                                                “imputing motivations to other people” You were doing this in your first post, in your first sentence.

                                                                                Your malicious intent is very clear by now. Your goal in this thread is malicious diversion from the topic at hand.

                                                                                Due to your politically motivated need to actively suppress all mentions of the fact that there are many legal immigrants waiting in line with a very dim chance of ever getting a green card.

                                                                                You are a gas-lighting liberal shill.

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                                                                                Answered on 10/16/2017 7:57 PM
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                                                                                  To sum up, it is not obvious that you:

                                                                                  1. Are a gas-lighting liberal shill

                                                                                  2. Maliciously divert the topic away from fairness towards legal immigrants

                                                                                  3. Actively suppressing the fact that there are many legal immigrants waiting in line with a very dim chance of ever getting a green card. All the while supporting blanket amnesty for your select group of illegal immigrants.

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